{"id":980,"date":"2011-10-25T15:24:58","date_gmt":"2011-10-25T04:24:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/climatereview.net\/ChewTheFat\/?p=980"},"modified":"2020-10-21T11:57:02","modified_gmt":"2020-10-21T00:57:02","slug":"global-warming-theory-may-well-be-proven-false-but-it-promotes-carbon-dioxide-reduction-and-thus-can-be-a-useful-proxy-for-our-green-future","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatereview.net\/ChewTheFat\/?p=980","title":{"rendered":"Can CO2 reduction policies be an apt proxy for universal, pollution reduction?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Global Warming theory may well be proven false.&nbsp; But, it promotes Carbon Dioxide reduction and thus can be a useful proxy for our Green future?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Global Warming debate is bit like a pantomime at times: &#8220;Oh, yes it is.&nbsp; Oh, no it isn&#8217;t. Oh yes&#8230;&#8221;&nbsp; What are we punters on the street then meant to believe?&nbsp; In some ways, potentially, it doesn&#8217;t matter either way, true or not.&nbsp; Irrespective of the effects of Carbon Dioxide on the Greenhouse Effect, isn&#8217;t CO<sub>2<\/sub> reduction a great way to lead ourselves down a Green future.&nbsp; CO<sub>2<\/sub> is a pollutant and a by-product of many of our modern, industrial, polluting ways.&nbsp; By cleaning up CO<sub>2<\/sub> , surely are we not cleaning up are environment as a whole?&nbsp; You price CO<sub>2<\/sub> , you price all pollution &#8211; what a great, simple way to improve our fragile environment?<\/p>\n<p>This argument, that CO<sub>2<\/sub><strong><\/strong> is a useful proxy for industrial pollution, is pretty convincing, perhaps.&nbsp; I have heard many people involved in the energy industry and the wider Green movement cite this as an ultimate justification for large-scale <a title=\"Emissions trading\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Emissions_trading\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Emissions Trading Schemes<\/a> (carbon taxes).&nbsp; For example, in the words of the highly influential <a title=\"Gavin A. Schmidt bio\" href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2004\/12\/gavin-schmidt\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Gavin Schmidt<\/a>, a climate modeller at the NASA, who is also the lead writer at one of the foremost, pro-Global Warming, websites, <a title=\"RealCimate.com\" href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2011\/10\/a-well-deserved-honor\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">RealClimate<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/IlTaoMeo8fI?hl=en&amp;fs=1\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<address style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Gavin Schmidt &#8220;articulating both the science and the history of the science, and putting the recent politicizing of climate science into context.&#8221; from &#8220;<a title=\"A Well Deserved Honor\" href=\"http:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2011\/10\/a-well-deserved-honor\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A Well Deserved honour<\/a>&#8221; at RealClimate.com (<a title=\"Gavin Schmidt talks about the politics of climate change. \" href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=krXF9Icfa6k&amp;feature=related\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">full version<\/a>)<\/address>\n<address style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">&nbsp;<\/address>\n<p>So, people like Gavin Schmidt argue that, if we price Carbon Dioxide via an Emissions Trading Scheme, then we are pricing pretty much all types of industrial pollution in a &#8220;coherent holistic way&#8221;.&nbsp; Back in the day, environmentalists fought individual battles.&nbsp; &#8220;Historically we&#8217;ve dealt with environmental issues on a piecemeal basis, we&#8217;ve dealt with acid rain,&nbsp;we&#8217;ve dealt with dirty rivers,&nbsp;we&#8217;ve dealt with oil spills&#8221;.&nbsp; However, now we have climate, predicting models to unify our understanding of the planet as a complete ecosystem.&nbsp; Thus, we can use CO<sub>2<\/sub> reduction regulation and taxation to encourage all forms of business to clean up their act.<\/p>\n<p>That sounds fair enough, I guess.&nbsp; Well, I do agree with Gavin in regards to his sentiment of encouraging pollution prevention measures.&nbsp; I also don&#8217;t want dirty rivers full of micro pollutants such as the human, contraceptive hormone, <a title=\"Fertility timebomb found in drinking water\" href=\"http:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/health\/article-105466\/Fertility-timebomb-drinking-water.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">oestrogen<\/a> that is making our male fish hermaphrodites.&nbsp; I also think all due care should be taken by oil companies to put a top priority on <a title=\"BP is performance driven, innovative, progressive and green\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bp.com\/genericarticle.do?categoryId=6120004&amp;contentId=6000691\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">safety<\/a> in their industry.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also don&#8217;t want <a title=\"The Acid Rain Report\" href=\"http:\/\/www.angelfire.com\/ks3\/acidrainreport\/acid.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">acid rain<\/a> destroying our <a title=\"Smog Acid Rain\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tutorvista.com\/chemistry\/smog-acid-rain\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">forests or historic buildings<\/a>.&nbsp; However, each of these measures and environmental concerns are quite different.&nbsp; You can even say that they are even fully mutually exclusive.&nbsp; Putting a &#8220;<a title=\"Putting a price on carbon pollution\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pm.gov.au\/press-office\/putting-price-carbon-pollution\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">price on Carbon<\/a>&#8221; will not prevent women&#8217;s hormone-laced urine from getting into the food chain.&nbsp; High quality <a title=\"Sewage Micro-filtration, ultraviolet disinfection\" href=\"http:\/\/www.watercorporation.com.au\/W\/water_recycling_global.cfm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">micro filters<\/a> installed in sewage plants do.&nbsp; Putting a price on CO<sub>2 <\/sub>will not stop the <a title=\"Exxon Valdez oil spill\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Exxon_Valdez_oil_spill\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Exxon Valdez<\/a> from hitting the rocks off Alaska, a little less &#8220;drink driving&#8221; (<a title=\"SKIPPER: NOT DRUNK EXXON VALDEZ CAPTAIN BACK IN SPOTLIGHT\" href=\"http:\/\/www.nydailynews.com\/archives\/news\/1999\/03\/14\/1999-03-14_skipper__not_drunk____exxon_.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">allegedly<\/a>) by the captain might help though.&nbsp; Putting a price on CO<sub>2<\/sub> will not stop acid rain.&nbsp; The <a title=\"How do coal-fired power plant scrubbers work?\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.howstuffworks.com\/2010\/11\/03\/how-do-coal-fired-power-plant-scrubbers-work\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">modern filters<\/a> used on coal, power station, exhaust stacks and the obligatory, car, <a title=\"Catalytic converter\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Catalytic_converter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">catalytic converters<\/a> do that already.&nbsp; A question, did any of these pollution, mitigation initiatives ever require a Carbon Tax to happen?<\/p>\n<p>The world has never been Greener.&nbsp; Well, I should qualify this and say that the world has never been more green minded.&nbsp; In the Middle Ages the ancient <a title=\"The Story of Sir Walter Raleigh\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mainlesson.com\/display.php?author=kelly&amp;book=raleigh&amp;story=armada\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">forests<\/a> of Spain were largely cut down to build King Philip&#8217;s Spanish Armada used in a the failed conquest of England.&nbsp; Did he care about the ecology of this? No, not too much, though admittedly environmental protection didn&#8217;t matter as much in those days as it does now.&nbsp; The population of the Earth was much lower then and our ability to extract essential resources much more limited.&nbsp; However, with the onset of the industrial revolution, our ability to extract and process our natural resources has exponentially increased.&nbsp; This could be a recipe for environmental disaster and, indeed, we do have the occasional, Exxon Valdez style disaster.&nbsp; However, put things into perspective.&nbsp; The vast majority of our global corporations have an emphasis on being Green these days (these <a title=\"BP core values\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bp.com\/genericarticle.do?categoryId=6120004&amp;contentId=6000691\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">BP core values<\/a> are common practice).&nbsp; Green sells.&nbsp; You see it being advertised everywhere.&nbsp; Environmentalists do play an important role in policing the large, Green, marketing claims by corporations.&nbsp; Every system needs it checks and balances.&nbsp; However, be mindful that Big Business is already doing a reasonably good job at cleaning up its act.&nbsp; This is because industry is &#8220;Going Green&#8221;, and all this is happening without a hugely inefficient, fully <a title=\"EU Carbon Credit trading takes a dive. In Greece, they can\u2019t hardly give EU carbon credits away\" href=\"http:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2011\/06\/25\/eu-carbon-credit-trading-takes-a-dive-in-greece-they-cant-hardly-give-eu-carbon-credits-away\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">rortable<\/a> &#8220;price on Carbon&#8221; (see the <a title=\"Polluters the winners from EU carbon scheme\" href=\"http:\/\/www.climatespectator.com.au\/commentary\/polluters-winners-eu-carbon-scheme\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">EU carbon scheme<\/a> problems) .<\/p>\n<p>A price on CO<sub>2<\/sub> is <strong>not<\/strong> a proxy for universal, pollution reduction.&nbsp; This is a common misconception.&nbsp;&nbsp; This is like hitting a nail with a sledgehammer.&nbsp; Emissions Trading Schemes are not only massively <a title=\"UK CO2 income seen over 64 billion euros by 2020\" href=\"http:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/2011\/02\/10\/us-carbon-revenue-idUSTRE71933420110210\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">expensive<\/a>, but also largely ineffective at producing anything other than <a title=\"Climate cash goes up in smoke\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theage.com.au\/environment\/climate-cash-goes-up-in-smoke-20110214-1atnh.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">minor<\/a> CO<sub>2<\/sub> emissions reductions.&nbsp; Furthermore, as for cleaning up the acts of the vast gamut of industries that will be taxed under the scheme, it will make very little difference to their polluting status.&nbsp; Every polluting, industrial process is different and its harmful by-products must be mitigated uniquely.&nbsp; They are all different.&nbsp; In addition, be very mindful that the world is actually pretty Green already.&nbsp; We are becoming Greener and Greener every day without any massive governmental, tax-based intervention.&nbsp; Sharks now swim again in the Sydney&#8217;s, now clean, iconic <a title=\"Australia Day 2011 - a day of sharks in Sydney Harbour\" href=\"http:\/\/www.dailytelegraph.com.au\/news\/sydney-nsw\/australia-day-2011-a-day-of-sharks-in-the-harbour\/story-e6freuzi-1226121582147\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">harbour<\/a>, London&#8217;s horrendous <a title=\"Great Smog\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Great_Smog\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">smog<\/a>&#8216;s are a thing of the past, cars have &#8220;clean&#8221; emissions from <a title=\"Catalytic converter\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Catalytic_converter\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">catalytic converters<\/a>.&nbsp; None of these measures needed CO<sub>2 <\/sub>legislation.<\/p>\n<p>Life has complexity, simplifying it to just blaming CO<sub>2<\/sub> emissions is plain ludicrous.&nbsp; Ironically enough, take away the controversial, Global Warming effect of CO<sub>2<\/sub>, and you&#8217;d quite easily argue that we should me making more CO<sub>2 <\/sub>on purpose.&nbsp; CO<sub>2<\/sub> is actually one of the most important plant and, thus <a title=\"Now it\u2019s more CO2 that will threaten crops\" href=\"http:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2010\/05\/14\/now-its-more-co2-that-will-threaten-crops\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">food fertilisers,<\/a> on Earth.&nbsp; The more the merrier.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Global Warming theory may well be proven false.&nbsp; But, it promotes Carbon Dioxide reduction and thus can be a useful proxy for our Green future? 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